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Message No. 15864, Started by booster on 04/22/05
Hello again.

   Feasibility question:

     I wanted to ask opinions on an idea.  I see that many city’s around the US. have a huge burden each fall, of hauling off leaf litter from around the city, only to be put into the local landfill.  I was wondering if this could be looked at as an energy source. In short, could some cities develop facility’s to store, dry, and then burn this leaf litter to produce energy for the city.  It would be at the right time of year when the cost and use of fuel oil could be offset.  I imagine the first thing some of you would say about this is that the emissions would be a problem, but what about scrubbers.  The key to this I think, is that it is a perfectly renewable resource. It could also be harvested into methanol at some level too.

     Home owners could get credit off thier electric bill for the amount of leaf litter produced on their property based on the previous years input, and of course, if they participate in collecting it from their property.

     I guess the main question is:  Is there enough energy output, to justify the energy input, on all levels?

     I grew up in Billings MT, and on the east side there was a big nasty coal burning power plant.  It’s emissions blew over the east rim rocks into Lockwood, where you could see a noticeable difference in the health of the tree’s there due to the sulfur laden air.

     Could some coal plants such as this be slightly modified to accept debris like this?  Would the emissions be worse?


     Might it be more feasable to put this leaf litter into methane digesters. I just wanted some thoughts on this. I see some methane digesters being developed out here in Oregon, and I think its becoming more acceptable to build “Green” these days, so tell me what you think, or if anyone has some spinnoff idea’s on this go ahead and post here.

Here is a link for Bio-digesters, or Methane Digesters for those of you unfamiliar with the process.

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/MethaneDigesters/MDToC.html
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thats' sort of like coming to a gunfight armed with a Lacrosse stick.... ...
No. 16015, Posted by rorschach on 05/09/05, 07:55 PST.
Never engage in a battle of witts with an unarmed man.
No. 16012, Posted by b1ueshift on 05/09/05, 07:12 PST.
"there is NO WAY a catalyst can affect the nucleus of any atom. " what...
No. 16007, Posted by gerdb on 05/08/05, 00:07 PST.
rorschach with all due respect, I AM leaving things to them, I am merely...
No. 16006, Posted by gerdb on 05/07/05, 16:26 PST.
gerdb, your tinfoil hat is showing. converting helium to hydrogen would ...
No. 15998, Posted by rorschach on 05/06/05, 09:48 PST.
Gerd, You seem so certain of so many things. You even seem certain that...
No. 15997, Posted by rolschwarz on 05/06/05, 05:54 PST.
helium and iridium with iridium acting similar to a catalyst and helium tur...
No. 15996, Posted by gerdb on 05/06/05, 05:07 PST.
rolschwarz, you are a glimmer of hope in this dark age, taking the time ...
No. 15995, Posted by gerdb on 05/05/05, 23:42 PST.
gerdb. Don’t be so crusty, i was just poking a little fun, although intenti...
No. 15943, Posted by booster on 04/28/05, 01:20 PST.
I'm not claiming to have good ideas, just brainstorming. Once you got th...
No. 15933, Posted by b1ueshift on 04/27/05, 18:04 PST.
Gerd. Backwards, as usual. quote: "The real energy comes from convertin...
No. 15932, Posted by rolschwarz on 04/27/05, 13:03 PST.
your attitude reminds me of my life under the communists: eternal fear a...
No. 15931, Posted by gerdb on 04/27/05, 10:45 PST.
gerdb. Keep using word combinations like that and we will have CIA and Home...
No. 15925, Posted by booster on 04/27/05, 03:06 PST.
Hey Blueshift, great comment. That thought had occured to me also. I haven...
No. 15924, Posted by booster on 04/27/05, 03:00 PST.
more proof: helium: Only helium has a positive nucleus. Only helium ...
No. 15923, Posted by gerdb on 04/26/05, 23:47 PST.
more proof: even hydrogen bombs don't work unless you put a little hel...
No. 15921, Posted by gerdb on 04/26/05, 20:01 PST.
Another disadvantage with using leaves for anything is that they only fall ...
No. 15900, Posted by b1ueshift on 04/25/05, 21:49 PST.
here are some facts that someone asked for: http://www.lewrockwell.com/o...
No. 15889, Posted by gerdb on 04/24/05, 23:46 PST.
like i said, an entirely different approach is needed, not rehearsing previ...
No. 15877, Posted by gerdb on 04/23/05, 20:48 PST.
Gerd, Someday, I hope to cut the financial strings that tie me to my pre...
No. 15876, Posted by rolschwarz on 04/23/05, 18:06 PST.
Quote "not really, no nonsense just previous exposure to other worlds ...
No. 15875, Posted by booster on 04/23/05, 13:48 PST.
I did post that anyone is free to post spinnoff idea's on this. I try to ke...
No. 15874, Posted by booster on 04/23/05, 12:38 PST.
not really, no nonsense just previous exposure to other worlds this i...
No. 15873, Posted by gerdb on 04/23/05, 07:20 PST.
Gerdb: That was a remarkably unenlighening statement. You stated no facts, ...
No. 15872, Posted by sdoughty11 on 04/23/05, 04:23 PST.
There's no reason why you can't burn leaves to generate electricity, but at...
No. 15871, Posted by b1ueshift on 04/23/05, 01:56 PST.
what is helium a byproduct of? transmutation of energy into matter (a...
No. 15870, Posted by gerdb on 04/22/05, 21:46 PST.
Energy reactions start between helium atoms, not hydrogen. Helium is a ...
No. 15869, Posted by gerdb on 04/22/05, 21:34 PST.
energy flows from the positive to the negative, not from one negative to an...
No. 15868, Posted by gerdb on 04/22/05, 20:51 PST.
all you people work from the assumption that energy is a scarce resource. I...
No. 15867, Posted by gerdb on 04/22/05, 20:37 PST.
If you look into the available heat from the combutstion of all of those le...
No. 15866, Posted by sdoughty11 on 04/22/05, 16:25 PST.
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